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MSNBC
Dec 27, 2012 8:00pm PST
, $250,000 and below. on spending cuts president obama proposed $1.2 trillion, about equal to what he was asking in revenue. boehner passed draconian spending cuts in the house with no revenue component. on extended unemployment insurance, another check for the president. nada for boehner. on the debt limit president obama proposed a structure similar to what republican leader mitch mcconnell proposed last year. boehner wants to hold the nation's full faith and credit hostage once again to attain even more spending cuts. president obama even threw in an added incentive for republicans, by agreeing to a change in the way social security increases are calculated. no such olive branch was ever extended by republicans. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question, is john boehner's move to reconvene the house a face-saving political move or a genuine effort to reach a deal? text a for political. text b for genuine effort. to 622639. or go to our blog at.msnbc.com. i'll bring you the results later in the show. joining me now is legendary congressman charlie r
MSNBC
Dec 29, 2012 1:00pm PST
having me. >> over the past month, president obama has been spending a lion's share of his time negotiating with speaker boehner, that did not work. what can you tell us about the key individuals involved in the process now, president obama, senator majority leader harry reed and mitch mcconnell. what is the tone? >> it's all about the senate right now, that is one of the more remarkable developments. all along we thought it would be between the obama white house and house speaker john boehner and there was a logic behind that. because getting legislation out of the house is the trickier part of crafting any type of deal. but with the house saying look, we need the senate to do something, the last ditch effort is occurring in the senate right now. i spoke to staffers close to senator mcconnell that said there was optimism on their side yesterday, including from their boss, senator minority leader mitch mcconnell to get a deal. of course, any kind of word in reading from the members themselves will not come until tomorrow, but it's both chris and luke that said in the segment bef
MSNBC
Dec 28, 2012 9:00am PST
remind everyone where we are at. if you look at spending cuts first, barack obama has basically moved about $325 billion on spending and speaker boehner, according to the last real public offer, has moved about $350 billion. i think it is fair to say had both moved relatively equally. but if you turned to tax increases, obama has already moved from, again the last public real offer $355 billion while boehner's moved only $150 billion. less than half. and then finally, and i want to go to you to unpack this. the stimulus money. this is not to be forgotten. we are in a recession. and many economists say that whatever else you do with long-term entitlement reform which is real, another real thing is growing the economy. obama has moved $250 billion. the number that boehner has moved on that stimulus is zero from the last final comprehensive offer. what do you make of that pacting that we are not mere the 50-yard line anymore? >> we also add that not only has boehner month moved, he can't get his own caucus to vote on the plan he brought forward. we are not only talking about symbol
MSNBC
Dec 27, 2012 9:00am PST
they have been. if you look two years ago at the ratio obama was proposing spending cuts versus revenue. it was four to one. now it's one to one. >> you have that $1 trillion already passed. >> you do. but i think the credit the tea party gets for shifting that debate wag overblown. >> but it was deficit reduction versus short-term spending at the start of 2010. and it immediately moved to deficit reduction and how to do it. and that was a very fundamental, important shift in the conversation. >> we have to go, but -- we have to go, but i heard that after the show, sam stein will be on twiner. you can be there, too. >> we can get together. >> we have another important item, though, which is the biggest hurdle arguably to president obama's second term agenda. that's something you're probably never going to hear about, literally. people think of the filibuster as a talk athon to stop action in the senate. but nowadays it has been attacked with a constant extreme of silent filibusters. up next, the talking filibuster ahead live. >>> time for the your business preer oes weeks. amber
MSNBC
Dec 29, 2012 1:00am PST
, which will be smaller than what president obama wanted, but will come separate from spending cuts, at least at the outset, and another set of negotiations after the new year, that will have spending cuts and taxes in it. it seems to me that that's a recipe for republicans to end up getting a lot more in taxes than they would have got in all with an up-front deal. are your colleagues worried about that at all, or are you? >> first of all, you're enlightening me on something i'm not aware of. that was not the conversation i had with my colleagues across the aisle and that wasn't the conversation i had with the minority leader. so you have information that i don't have. look, you can't solve the problem with taxes. you have to do both. this country is in trouble, fiscally and financially as well as ratings. and if we don't do something significant, we'll see another rating cut. and there'll come a time when the interest costs, we cannot afford. so the question comes is, what is the best thing we can do now, given the political dynamics that are in washington that actually make some diffe
MSNBC
Dec 29, 2012 3:00am PST
and spending before the end of the year and they maybe get us into a recession, it's definitely happening. that was the whole point of president obama's press conference this afternoon. >> i still want to get this done. it's the right thing to do for our families, for our businesses, and for our entire economy. but the hour for immediate action is here. it is now. >> allow me a quick update here. that press conference, it came after president obama met with john boehner and nancy pelosi and harry reid and mitch mcconnell, so all the key congressional leaders. and listen to the president here. >> the american people are watching what we do here. obviously, their patience is already thin. this is deja vu all over again. america wonders why it is that in this town for some reason, you can't get stuff done in an organized timetable. why everything always has to wait until the last minute. well, we're now at the last minute. and the american people are not going to have any patience for a politically self-inflicted wound to our economy. not right now. i just have to repeat. you know,
MSNBC
Dec 31, 2012 2:00am PST
. everyone's tax rates will go up. $1.2 trillion in federal spending cuts kick in. the payroll tax holiday enacted under president obama will expire. the alternative minimum tax kicks in and several tax deductions will also expire. nbc's danielle leigh is on capitol hill with the latest on the negotiations. what's the latest? >> reporter: good morning. there's been progress and at 11:00 a.m. this morning the senate will get back network. when they do they won't have a lot of time to come up with a deal to avoid those spending cuts and tax increase. both sides are still divided but just before calling it quits yesterday democratic leader harry reid said he hoped to have an announcement in the morning when senate gets back network. where are they divided inspecifically divided at what salary taxes should increase but there was progress in terms of tax increases for the wealthiest of americans, also avoiding the inheritance tax increases and democrats say that they are grateful republicans have given up a demand for cuts to social security at least for now. now this progress has not c
MSNBC
Dec 31, 2012 10:00am PST
-ish rally. we're not just doing on the spending side anymore but clearly an obama optimistic about this deal. its chances and what it means for the white house. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." happy new year, everyone. "news nation" is next. >>> hello there, i'm t.j. holmes. president obama speaking just moments ago and putting the pressure on. with just ten hours until the country goes over that fiscal cliff, the president announcing that agreement to prevent tax hikes for all americans is in sight. but there is no deal just yet. >> today it appears that an agreement to prevent this new year's tax
MSNBC
Dec 30, 2012 2:00pm PST
what president obama and speaker boehner want. president obama wants higher taxes on the wealthy, stimulus spending, limited cuts to entitlements, and speaker boehner wants limited tax increases and keep his job. bob, which -- where do we go from here if a deal isn't hashed out in the next few hours? >> not necessarily in that order. i think the priorities for john boehner may have been turned around. jared is an old jazz fan, as am i, and he knows that miles davis had a song called "so what" and i think that might be the background music right now as all the posturing is going on in public. the simple fact of the matter is that they are setting up the process for working out a deal after they have scared the daylights out of everybody, and it would seem to me that to quote another song, which is "what are you going to be doing new year's eve," i think that we'll be finding that these people are still hard at it and maybe calling congress into session tomorrow night which is a really rotten way to end the year. >> jared, explain for our viewers what it really means to go over the
MSNBC
Jan 1, 2013 7:00am PST
two months. >> as david mentioned the senate punted on the sequester, the federal spending cuts scheduled to go into effect tomorrow. >> right. >> and didn't tackle entitlement reform. did they miss an opportunity? >> well, i think that opportunity was missed in the boehner/obama negotiations. there really was no time to do anything except the basics right now. and i think there's a good shot that this will succeed. i think both parties are very conscious of the markets opening tomorrow and the republicans have been through situations where they've voted down big plans and the markets have crashed. so i don't think that john boehner wants that on his head and i think that president obama's planning to blame him if that happens. there as lot of work being done to convince some liberal democrats and conservative republicans, because republicans in voting for this would have to vote for a tax rate increase which a lot of them have signed pledges saying they would never do. it's a big step but i think they'll take it. >> david, looking at house speaker john boehner a lot of people t
MSNBC
Jan 1, 2013 5:00am PST
senate deal, president obama is warning republicans that if they want future spending cuts, they're going to have to provide more tax revenue as well. >> if republicans think that i will finish the job of deficit reduction through spending cuts alone -- and you hear that sometimes coming from them, that sort of after today we're just going to try to shove only spending cuts down -- well, shove spending cuts at us. if they think that's going to be the formula for how we solve this thing, then they've got another think coming. >> that midday news conference didn't go over well with a lot of republicans, and they said that the president's sometimes mocking tone, as they felt it was, could hurt the fiscal cliff deal in the house. >> as i sort out my impressions of the president's remarks as to whether to be angry or to saddened. we have the president of the united states go over and have a cheerleading ridiculing of republicans exercise. >> let's bring in democratic strategist and former edwards communications director chris ka fiance and republican strategist and former huckabee campai
MSNBC
Dec 29, 2012 2:00am PST
deal with the immediate issue of the tax hikes and spending cuts, so i believe that you are absolutely right. in terms of the strategy f they have one, they have not revealed the details about that quite yet. president obama today, and what i thought was interesting is using the power of the bully pulpit to put pressure on congress to get this basic deal done that he is calling for, and richard, one of the things that he said at the end of the remarks is that essentially this is not how the american people do business and just to remind you that ordinary folks meet their deadlines and sort out disagreements and the fact that the lawmakers can't do it is boggling to many of them. the president really trying to ramp up public pressure, and this is something that we have seen him do in the past, a tactic that he has taken in the past to try to get the public on his side to put the pressure on the house republicans. richard? >> kristen welker, thank you so much for all of your work at the white house. joined by the grio's joy reid and chicago tribute's clarence page. let's talk
MSNBC
Dec 27, 2012 7:00pm PST
numbers compared to the numbers you saw, hillary clinton way ahead of barack obama and that gap was closed. i think it is going to be closeable by ed marky. he has three million raised and ready to spend. >> yes, that gives him the opportunity to get his message out. and even though he has been in congress for 36 years, for 36 years, he has run from one little district in the entire state. this will be his first statewide race. that might explain why a third of the people polled haven't heard of him. he is big on climate change. and so, you know, let's see if your prediction comes true. jump in with me here on this one. you know, i wanted to jump in with you on the tim pawlenty thing. i knew i would be hearing about that tonight. >> i want to know who else is going to jump in. >> my point is scott brown is the current republican senator. he is polling below 50 and when he was running against elizabeth warren who started off not so well-known throughout the sate. i'm looking at nothing prohibitive and nothing he can't make up. it is more of a challenge for scott brown to push up. >> he had
MSNBC
Dec 26, 2012 1:00pm PST
draconian cuts to meals on wheels, food stamps. it goes into discretionary spending. the house passed bills are absolutely would go nowhere. and would be vee toad by president obama. so this is what we're seeing on the statement the day after christmas is while you guys figure out some solution, we wash our hands of it. >> as a follow-up, i'm putting my press secretary hat on for a second and say the response i would expect from the democratic side from the senate is hey, we passed a bill too. we passed a bill that does the same thing. why don't you just take our bill and go ahead and get it through? we need your help. >> they could well do that. the bill that has the $250,000 or below. it's interesting now that essentially here we have speaker boehner walking away saying well the senate has to act. they can do whatever. we're going to say on vacation. who does harry reid have to negotiate with them? where does he go? >> the president and harry reid can only negotiate so much. >> the question becomes if they can get a bill for 250 and below perhaps with the unemployment insurance attached t
MSNBC
Dec 28, 2012 10:00am PST
problem is about spending and democrats say it is all about lack of revenue, how -- how does -- is that bridged in this year? can it be bridged? >> yes, it can. both president obama and speaker boehner have already begun to do a principle compromise. speaker boehner said i'm ready to raise taxes on those over a million dollars. president obama said i'm ready to have a new type of chain to consumer price index which -- impacts entitlement reform. the bipartisan national debt commission, simpson-bowles commission, said for every dollar of spending reduction, including the entitlement reform we immediate to have $1 in tax revenue. that's the principle compromise we have to have. so they are not far off. what we have to have is very simple. $4 trillion in debt reduction by this one-third, two-third division. because that gives us a sustainable debt to gdp ratio so the economy can go booming again. so i believe those two men have the economies of our nation best at heart and have to come a little closer and a little $500 billion sounds like a lot. $2.5 trillion. we have to do both to ha
MSNBC
Dec 31, 2012 11:00am PST
off for a year new through new revenues but republicans want to see spending cuts to stave it off. that's the final sticking point in the final hours of these negotiations. you heard president obama concede this is not a perfect deal. he said he wanted a big deal that dealt with both tax reform and deficit reduction. you also heard him talk about the fact that the new revenues would be hundreds of billions of dollars. what he initially wanted was about $1.6 trillion so this is a compromise on his part, as well. republicans initially coming, raising their offer so they kind of came to the middle on that point. but, again, the one sticking point that remains, the sequester and what negotiators continue to hammer out. vice president biden playing a key role in the negotiations having served more than 30 years in the senate. he knows how these types of negotiations get done. really, better than anyone. he, mitch mcconnell with whom he has a strong relationship, trying to take it to the finish line. >> i guess that's something given how many sticking points we were up against before. t
MSNBC
Dec 28, 2012 2:00pm PST
example. it might deal with some of those spending cuts, but it's not going to be that broad, sweeping plan that president obama and house speaker boehner had been initially working on. this is going to be a much more scaled back version of a bill. just to sort of get over this hump. so i think that right now all parties believe that is really the main hope for getting something done, but you're absolutely right. the same sticking points remain, and that is going to be the problem moving forward over these next 24 hours. i think the pressure point comes when the markets have already started to react and, of course, if they fail to get a deal done by that all-important january 1st deadline, really everyone is going to be blamed for it. of course, the polls show that republicans will be blamed the most, but ultimately president obama will have to share some of that blame as well. so i think that right now that pressure point is one of the motivating factors in getting something done. >> kristin, stay with us. i just want to bring in joy reid from the grio and robert costa from
MSNBC
Dec 26, 2012 11:00pm PST
. because of stories like this, that can paint the picture to the voters that obama's not playing ball. >> trying to explain this to somebody from pluto. say in australia now. saying when congress wrote the cliff, defined it, spend cuts, increases on income, tax increase on state. they wrote it up as this horrible thing that nobody would want to face. either side, right? they designed it that way. now they're walking right over that cliff. over niagra falls. explain. >> it's like congress is on pluto and we're all on earth. they say they want deficit reduction. if you go over the cliff, you get deficit reduction, you just don't get it in the responsible, accountable way. it's like chopping off on arm. >> like says i want a shower, i'm going to niagra falls. >> they still can't get it done. we're dysfunctional. no other explanation. >> i think they can stop the roller coaster and make it go. they're doing a dance now because republicans don't want to do something to rates. obama wants to play hardball. but i think they'll have a different argument later in the year. >> i guess both
MSNBC
Dec 30, 2012 7:00am PST
. after two years of campaigning, a record $2 billion in election spending, the angst, anxiety, where did he end up? where we started. president barack obama in the white house and a house of representatives. we can't hold it in any longer. our very last show of the year is something of an experiment. our first ever annual look back in laughter. we begin the year with the op liptic decline on the mayan calendar. why else would the republicans risk leaving the country? to be run by any of this cast of characters. they thought they would be blown to oblivion. the cookiest of this crew bowed out before 2012 got going. we feared the year might leave us without the gems of 2011, like this one from our favorite pizza man. >> you agreed with president obama on libya or not? >> okay. libya. um, um, nope, that's a different one. i gotta go back and see. all this stuff twirling around in my head. >> or maybe this one from texas governor rick perry who bailed on his presidential hopes by mid january. >> i will tell you, it's three agencies of government when i get there that are gone. commerce,
MSNBC
Dec 24, 2012 12:00pm PST
largely unanswered. romney's campaign answered after a long, expensive primary to choose how to spend at the time limited funds and tested better they claim than bio spots or defenses of his personal record. in the end, obama beat romney by ten points. on the economic values question that was this, which candidate is more in touch with people like you? 53% said romney's policies would favor the rich. 10% said that the about the president's policies and romney, first republican nominee in the history of our nbc sls "wall street journal" poll and ended with a painful number, 47% of the voters viewing him positively. the obama campaign was also able to get more bang for the buck because they bought ads early and they were very careful about where to buy the ads. in the last week of the election, the obama campaign paid $550 for a single ad in raleigh, north carolina. the romney campaign had to sell out $2,665. the obama campaign bought it way ahead of time. lesson two, the republican brand needs a hard look. the gop favorable rating underwater for two years. it's been nearly five years a
MSNBC
Dec 30, 2012 5:00pm PST
for cutting spending. you heard mitt romney criticize president obama because he's not spending enough on ships, which we don't need, and not staying long enough in the war zones. the republicans' view of spending is very particular one. secondly, as far as the american people are concerned, people in their districts, gee, if they represent districts in new jersey and new york they want more spending. you know, people -- if you ask them they want government pending they say no. do you want to cut medicare? no, not that. how about firefighters? people boast of cutting government. when was the last time you heard them cut fire department or cut down on snow removal? in fact the republicans tend to be opposed to spending in general. when it comes to particular spending, remember paul ryan acknowledging he was seeking to get the stimulus money that he was denouncing. but in any case, it's not the democratic position we should put all of the increased revenue into spending. by the way, i believe much of government spending is very important. there are things that we need for the qual
MSNBC
Dec 24, 2012 10:00am PST
obama is spending christmas in hawaii where he and the first lady attended the holiday memorial service for the late u.s. senator from daniel inouye. >> white house correspondent kristen welker. kristen, obviously they always say the white house travels with the president wherever he is. that's where the white house is. the president, though, is enjoying vacation, but still continuing to keep tabs on the fiscal cliff negotiations, correct? >> he is. white house officials describe this as a working vacation. i think there have been maybe a few conversations at the staff level about the fiscal cliff, but the reality is, thomas, the negotiations have largely stalled. you remember president obama on friday urging lawmakers to take this time off to really cool off, come back later this week with a appreciate perspective. i think you're going to see the hard work, the real negotiations resume when lawmakers go back into session after the christmas holiday. now, last week it seemed as though president obama, house speaker john boehner were close to getting some sort of a grand bargain that wou
MSNBC
Dec 24, 2012 5:00am PST
bribery that go on to get big things done. if you were sitting in the oval office now, i know you spend time with president obama, what would you tell him are the lessons he should take from the movie on house of representatives he should conduct himself on a whole range of things over the next term? >> he's got to keep that connection closer with the public closer than it was in the first four years. lincoln had those characters coming into his office every morning. after a while people said you don't have time for these ordinary people. he said you're wrong, these are my public opinion baths. you get a sense of timing, a mastery of timing when you've got the sentiment of the country behind you. but the other lesson is not to be embarrassed about making deal. during the health care thing every deal got exposed and it looks like it's the terrible thing. it the end result that matter as long as nothing illegal happens in the meantime. >> you know, doris, you just referenced what for my money is one of the most powerful scenes in the movie "lincoln," daniel day lewis exhibiting great ange
MSNBC
Dec 30, 2012 9:00am PST
$2.5 trillion agreement. if they can both come forward a little bit more, president obama more on spending reductions including entitlement reform, he did do some and mr. boehner, speaker boehner coming forward not just $1 million having a tax raise, those earning $400,000 to $500,000, you can get the grand bargain. it's not what we are talking today. get the fiscal cliff to where you change the scale to a bunny slope, where the skier can pick up speed, accelerate the economy up to 3%, only reducing the debt reduction down 200 billion. then with the surging economy, you get $3 trillion in february before the debt limit is broken, then the economy is so strong it can take the grand compromise and roar into the next nine years. that's the grand compromise. >> i heard you use that reference of the bunny slope. we are about to hit the bunny slope as opposed to the fiscal cliff. this is from an article in the washington post. if an agreement is reached, taxes would go up a bit for the wealthy. there would be no changes to entitlement programs, medicare, social security, no grand strate
MSNBC
Dec 31, 2012 8:00am PST
matter of me spending political capital. >> president obama on "meet the press" over the weekend. in the wake of the newtown, connecticut school shootings. the president insisted he wants new gun control legislation passed in the next year. he put vice president biden in charge of that task force to make recommendations to him. democratic congressman john yarmouth of kentucky joins us now and he sits on the budget oversight and government reform and ethics committees. good to see you. >> good to be with you. >> what is your thought on what the president said on "meet the press?" >> i think he is absolutely right. what sets this apart, however, is that we do have presidential leadership on this issue. that is something that hasn't been there during past attempts to do something to curb gun violence. i am thrilled about that. i agree with him totally. i've said many times the public has to keep the drum beat going because unless there is a perceived cost to many of the politicians up here not much is likely to happen. we have to make sure the public is engaged and continues to be engag
MSNBC
Dec 26, 2012 6:00am PST
connell and the president to try to come to a compromise to avoid the tax hikes and spending cuts that go into effect on the first of the year. president obama had been working with house speaker john boehner and trying to get a big deal that dealt with tax reform and deficit reduction. that fell apart and talks have largely been stalled this entire time. there was a lost pressure to get something done. we have seen some of the impacts of the fiscal cliff. consumers saying they have been more cautious with their holiday spending because of the uncertainty in washington. economists warn it could get worse and the markets could be foiled if we go over the fiscal cliff. taxes will go up for the average american by about $2,000 and could put us back into a recession. >> which nobody wants to see. kristen welker in hawaii. the president is coming back, but they haven't gotten the 48 hour notice. they are very much out there in play. thank you very much for joining us. appreciate it. when the senate returns tomorrow morning, there will be a new emphasis on members taking a larger role in the fi
MSNBC
Dec 28, 2012 11:00am PST
and something that president obama has been calling for for a long time. it would also extend unemployment insurance benefits and stave off some of those deep spending cut that is are set to go in to effect and essentially mirrors what president obama outlined when he addressed the nation before leaving for the what ryan holiday. white house officials being very tight lipped of what specifically the president is going to do and will not confirm to put this smaller deal on the table so i think we're going to have to wait until the meeting wraps up for the specifics but speaking to republican aides with the house who say that this still rests with the senate, that republicans in the house are waiting to see what the senate will do before they weigh in on a deal that may or may not be offered today so really, craig, the ball in the senate's court. >> all right. thanks to you. >>> today's "news nation gut check. the fiscal cliff specifically an article today of "why they want to go over the cliff." there's the article. he writes in part, for many republicans a cliff dive is blamin
MSNBC
Dec 31, 2012 4:00am PST
. >>> president obama says he offered up to $1 trillion in spending cuts to get a fiscal cliff deal done. but now republicans are asking from where? we're going to talk to republican senator bob corker next on "morning joe." i've always had to keep my eye on her... but, i didn't always watch out for myself. with so much noise about health care... i tuned it all out. with unitedhealthcare, i get information that matters... my individual health profile. not random statistics. they even reward me for addressing my health risks. so i'm doing fine... but she's still going to give me a heart attack. we're more than 78,000 people looking out for more than 70 million americans. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. ♪ >>> live look at the white house as the sun comes up over washington. it is 15 minutes past the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." we're here today because there's no deal and we are hours away from the fiscal cliff. here with us now, republican senator from tennessee and member of the senate banking committee, senator bob corker. senator, thanks for being on the show
MSNBC
Dec 31, 2012 6:00pm PST
is the level that president obama campaigned on. he said folks who make $250,000 or more should pay more in taxes. richard trumka expressing concern tonight that this will ultimately wind up taking a larger cut into spending than democrats will be comfortable with. so that is some of the criticism on the left. i imagine vice president biden have l have to answer some questions about that when he heads over to the hill. but as kelly mentioned, he has been one of the key negotiators in this entire process. remember, on saturday, milissa, these negotiations had all but stalled. and that is the point at which minority leader mcconnell picked up the phone, called biden, asked him to engage in these negotiations. he did. he is of course a veteran of the senate. few people understand how the inner works of the senate work as well as vice president biden. so he gotten gauged in these negotiations, really helped them to move forward. remember, he also has a very strong work relationship with mitch mcconnell. the two served together for about 23 years on this senate. so the two of them togeth
MSNBC
Dec 30, 2012 5:00am PST
have tens of millions of people out of work. obama was talking about originally having an infrastructure component in any deal. some spending on infrastructure. some more stimulus for the economy. is that a part of these negotiations right now do you think? and does that -- does it have to be in in for you and the democrats to go awrong with any deal? >>. [ no response ] >> we have an audio issue with the senator. maya, jamele was talking about the relatively low impact in terms of the budget picture of the bush tax cuts and letting go for the wealthy. i think you wanted to make a point there? >> i think it's an important point to say this deficit issue is one we should question a bit 'not because we shouldn't be concerned about the deficit but i think the notion that $800 billion is not a lot of money is a kind of bizarre conversation for most americans. so i think it doesn't sound like a lot of money if we're looking for short-term deficit reduction. it's a heck of a lot of money if we talk about investing in americans. one of the things that we have to have a better con
MSNBC
Dec 26, 2012 11:00am PST
support it. i don't know where we go from here. if boehner and obama sat down, we would be able to come up with an agreement. >>> we looking at the most likely scenario being a partial deal and maybe spending the first few weeks in january to hammer out something more concrete and long-term? >> absolutely. what may happen and what a lot of economists and others have been predicting for a month or so is maybe we go over a cliff for a couple of days, there after they do decide to stop the tax hikes on 98% of the people. it makes it easier for republicans to then vote for that. they are not voting for a tax hike. they are voting to lower taxes on 98% of americans after we go over the cliff. after we go over the cliff, that may be what puts pressure on a number of members to coming to o to have a deal after the fact. >> on our air a few minutes ago, this is what she said about the tax increase including both boehner's plan b and the plans that are here by the white house. take a listen. >> i think it is essential that we start talking about what amount can be passed on a bipartisan bas
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Dec 30, 2012 4:00am PST
house wanted all along? >> well, it is and it's president obama's way of saying, look, vote on his basic proposal, the proposal that would extend middle-class tax cut, deal with spending cuts. it's a basic plan that the president is calling for. something similar has already passed so the white house feels confident that what the president is calling for could again pass through the senate and get through the house. in order for that to happen, richard, that would involve every single democrat in the house voting for it as well as about 30 republicans. so the question is could they actually get that many republicans to vote for this pack am that the president is calling for. but politically what he is doing is essentially saying this is the plan i'm putting forth, let's get it through the senate and if it fails, it will fail through the senate house, letting republicans own that failure. putting it in a box. president obama giving the lawmakers here two options. one, to come up with their own alternative proposal. of course, that's something senate majority leader harry reid will w
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Dec 26, 2012 9:00am PST
. food stamps, children's health care, medicaid, and obama said, no, if we're going to cut spending, we're going to protect the most vul nebl. protecting the most vulnerable takes it away and all that's left is cutting taxes. if the goal is to reduce the deficit, their goal of cutting taxes is not relevant to that goal so there's no overlap of potential agreement here. that's why there's no deal. >> let's take a listen to a very conservative retiring senator said, soon to be former senator joe lieberman, who is respected and seen as a deal maker. what we need right now is a deal. let's take a listen to something he just said. >> if we allow that to happen, it will be the most colossal, consequential act of congressional irresponsibility in a long time, maybe ever in american history. >> joy, i think what he's saying there and going over the cliff is not that this would be the worst thing congress has done on an objective scale, but the notion of doing something so bad for no reason is pretty frustrating, isn't it? >> i disagree with his characterization it would be the most irrespon
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Dec 31, 2012 12:00pm PST
in 2009. these are things pushing for. if that's part of it and obama looking for at least some infrastructure, some stimulus spending. are any of those components in this deal? >> i don't think the spending part is addressed. i could be wrong and i believe per child tax credit is, in fact, addressed and extended in some way, shape or form and heard the president say some of the incentives for green energy in place in the stimulus. as well. i'm not sure if i heard you mention the alternative minimum tax for the wealthy and dipped in to the middle class and every year congress has to put it off. what's in this bill is a permanent revocation, a perm inconsistent fix, if you will, of the alternative men mum tax. that's astonishing. almost a trillion dollars cut from the baseline over ten years and appears that would be in the bill but put out the big caution here because nothing is voted on yet. there's no -- the ink is not dry. the signatures not on the document. if there's a deal, it is still not quite there yet. that big fight as we have been describing over those spending cuts,
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Dec 31, 2012 9:00am PST
rhetoric and have real legislation. >> president obama will have be to willing to spend a long time on this, and all -- probably all of his political capital and just it's going to be a slog. that was what we got from "meet the press" yesterday. it's just clear he knows this is going to be a slog, and he needs people, the american people, to be on his side, or else it's just not going to happen. the media coverage, like you said, has already dropped off. it's not going to continue unless there's a public outrage. >> absolutely. you know he has the rett cal skill to do it. if the president puts his rett cal skill and weight behind it, at least we can keep the discussion going. we have an important thing we need to do, because jimmy williams, today is not just another day in the park. it's not just another new year's eve. you have somebody that you want to give a special shout-out to. >> my mother turns 70 today. happy birthday, my sweet mother. , in south carolina. you rock. you're the bomb. >> happy new year's eve, mom. >> that's right. >> we always appreciate. >> the world's greatest
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Dec 26, 2012 2:00am PST
stops creating jobs. >> reporter: the weight is excruciating for some and president obama left them $200 billion apart. >> the president was $200 billion higher on revenues and speaker boehner, $200 billion higher on spending cuts. >> if you get 80% of what you want, that's a pretty good day. >> reporter: tough decisions ahead, six days left. >> lawmakers will likely take on spending reform and tax cuts when the debate heats up. >> looks like they will be working over the new year. >>> a note was left by a suspected shooter that killed two firefighters christmas eve in new york. more details on the person already convicted of murder. >> reporter: police say the christmas eve ambush of four volunteer firefighters happened as they fought a massive fire in new york was spilled out in typewritten detail. >> quote i still have to get ready to see how much of the neighborhood i can burn down and do what i like doing best, killing people. >> reporter: authorities say 62-year-old william spangler, who served prison time killing his grandmother more than 30 years ago shot at first responders
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Dec 27, 2012 8:00am PST
time barack obama wants something. we have a huge problem. it's not our taxes. we're spending way too much money. as your previous guest was just talking about, we're hitting the debt ceiling, 16 trillion, they want to increase it to 18 trillion. by 2022, it will be 25 trillion the at some point this all comes crashing down. >> we already had the debt ceiling issue during the summer of 2011 being taken to the brink of having our credit ratings. based on the fact that neither side could politically come together. that was all in an effort to try to discredit the president so that they could get him out come november of 2012. now, that doesn't happen. the president has a wide mandate to be back in the hoff. why does the tea party not get that? >> you know obama ran on the fact that he would raise taxes. >>> more democrats were votes in. tea party members lost seats in this election. >> liberals lost seats, too. that's what happens every election. if there had been a great groundswell of effort that we have to raise taxes, we have to implement this huge liberal big spending agenda jo
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Dec 26, 2012 2:30am PST
whole will stop creating jobs. >> reporter: the wait is e excruciating. president obama visited hawaii after talks on capitol hill. they were $200 billion apart on a deal. >> the president was $2200 billion higher on revenues and speaker boehner, $200 billion on spending cuts. >> if you get 80% of what you want, that's a pretty good day. >> reporter: tough decision ahead, six days left. >> lawmakers are saying they will likely take on tax reform and spending cuts again in the new year when the debt ceiling debate heats up. richard, back to you. >> looks like they will be working over the new year. thanks for your time. >>> a note was left by the suspected shooter that killed two firefighters in new york. more on details of the person already convicted of murder. >> reporter: police say this christmas eve ambush of four volunteer firefighters attacked as they arrived to battle a massive fire in new york. >> it was a raging inferno out there. >> reporter: it was spelled out in typewritten detail. >> quote i still have to get ready to see how much of the neighborhood i can burn down and d
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Dec 27, 2012 10:00am PST
this morning in the washington post that when you look at boehner and obama's proposal, they're essentially $450 billion away. that's less than 1% of the federal spending going forward for the next ten years. have you ever seen a deal that's that close that could essentially give both sides a lot of what they want fall apart over that small amount of money? >> it's been -- it has been very confounding to a lot of us because, you know, you break it down over ten years, there's $45 billion apart year by year on taxes. they would tell you, each side would say that these are policy issues that they can't bridge the gap on in terms of how much they raise tax rates on those income above 250 or 400 of a million and that's those are really big, substantial gaps. and republicans want more on entitlement reform, particularly on medicare. this is sort of the red line that each side has drawn the. and the overall number is really close. those policies difference res still key and they can't get past them right now. >> and, chris, i'll turn to you. obviously, that number is unbelievable how
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Dec 31, 2012 7:00pm PST
spending cuts to a wide range of government programs. we've also learned that president obama personally called harry reid and nancy pelosi to ensure that they are on board with this plan. our chuck todd says it is not likely that we would see a deal on that vote before midnight, just on the logistical standpoint the house remains adjourned until tomorrow. mike, what is the latest you're hearing about a possible vote tonight, maybe not before midnight at this point, but sometime during the night? >> yeah, i don't think it will happen before midnight, just too many procedural hoops to jump through, and they haven't even completed writing the bill. vice president joe biden arrived, met with harry reid briefly, and walked into the second floor and into the caucus room where democrats had gathered. joe biden's mention to pitch this deal, to the caucus, one mention, if they're going to bring it up tonight. we talked about the senate and how slow it moves. it can move very fast, when they have unanimous consent, in other words, where every senator says it is okay to move forward. that will be
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Dec 30, 2012 12:00pm PST
more than half way on taxes and spending cuts. and i think we're just seeing more illustrations of that with each passing hour. >> both sides are sparring over who is to blame. they are all blaming each other. president obama was a guest on "meet the press." let's listen. >> 75% of the congressmen come from gerrymandered districts in which they are bullet proof. they don't go home and have to prove their case because they have a choir back home. >> i think it has been very hard for speaker boehner and republican leading mcconnell to accept the fact that taxes on the wealthiest americans should go up a little bit as part of an overall deficit reduction package. >> in a statement house speaker john boehner shot back writing americans electedt president obama to lead, not to cast blame. the president's comments today are ironic as a current theme of negotiations is an unwillingness to agree to anything that would required him to stand up to his own party. does it look like the president and speaker are closer to mending fences? >> it doesn't. the president i think was seen by both parties
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Dec 27, 2012 1:00am PST
cut by more than 25%. good luck getting a doctor then. more than a trillion dollars in spending cuts are triggered. the economy probably falls back into recession, and merry christmas and happy new year from washington to you, the american people. heard about the offers and the counteroffers president obama and house speaker john boehner put on the table. if you live in the game area, you're going to be reading about the cliff whether you like it or not. we at starbucks have an opportunity and i believe a responsibility to use our company's scale for good, by sending a respectful and optimistic message to our officials to come together and reach important ground. this week, through december 28th, partners at our washington, d.c., area stores are writing come together on customer's cups. i am hugely in favor of this new starbucks initiative. not because i think writing come together on coffee cups will bring anybody in washington together, i have an embarrassing coffee order, i'm hoping they will write over my order and people won't judge me. >>> i want to step back and give you five
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